To bleed or not to bleed—that is the question!

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To bleed or not to bleed—that is the question!

Ken Rosen (Microsoft)

I promised I’d follow up on the “white border issue” some of you raised regarding our new digital certificates, and even though several of you responded to my last post on the topic requesting a full-bleed version, we’re still a bit gun-shy about doing so.

Here’s why: any time we make a change to one of our programs or offerings, we have to think about the impact on customer experience at a broad level. We know that there will always be some percentage of the community dissatisfied by any change we make, but we place our bets on satisfying the broad majority.

I just came out of a meeting where we discussed the digital certificates and looked at several examples of the printed ones, and there was a consensus in the room that:

1) Switching from the white-border version to a full-bleed version would create more dissatisfaction than it solves, because we believe relatively few people would have both the proper hardware and the knowledge to print edge-to-edge correctly. (We could provide printing instructions, but not everyone would read them—or could read them, since the site isn’t fully localized.)

2) Adding a full-bleed version in addition to the white border version might cause confusion among users who don’t understand the difference between the files—and those users might exceed in number the users who are capable and knowledgeable enough to print the full-bleed versions.

On the first point, I fully agree. I don’t think switching files is a good option for us to pursue.

But—on the second point, I’m unsure. We know that edge-to-edge photo printers are becoming much more prevalent, but we don’t know what percentage of our community has ready access to them—and our thinking would certainly be influenced by that knowledge.

So—even though I asked a similar question earlier, let me ask again, more specifically:

Thanks for your feedback! Still following up on the charter issue, btw—and the shipping costs for printed certificates should be available shortly too.

Comments
  • Anonymous
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    Why not work something out where a full-bleed certificate can be submitted as a print order at Kinko s? (I voted yes because I have a Kinko s around the corner from where I work). Not sure how this would work internationally, but they certainly have the tech to be able to produce a professional print. Also IMHO, I think the confusion argument underestimates the resourcefulness of the MCP community. We are, after all, Microsoft Certified, and with that have demonstrated technical achievement in our professions. We should be able to figure out how to print things out! I m just sayin...
  • Anonymous
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    To bleed, please! It ll just be another bubble-box option below Letter/A4 and PDF/XPS. I can t imagine anyone having the minimum brains required to pass even the easiest MCP certification and being confused by a "white border or not" option! Can you? :)
  • Anonymous
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    Of course, then there s the matter of whether or not it s cheaper/worth the hassle for us to download and outsource to Kinko s vs. paying the shipping fee. We ll just have to see when the fee is announced. My guess is that Kinko s will be cheaper since you wouldn t have to deal with special packaging to prevent bending. Hey, you might even find some way to send the print job electronically from the MCP site directly into Kinko s online printing. (There s a green idea for you!) My preference is for certificates without the borders. I would still be in favor of having the dual-option and let us see what we can do with it.
  • Anonymous
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    "We know that there will always be some percentage of the community dissatisfied by any change we make, but we place our bets on satisfying the broad majority." LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL You have tools, make a public survey point link to it in next MCP newsletter. You might be amazed. I don t expect you will be brave enough so far about 95% comments are negative. So there are different types of MCP some: - are MCP - aren t MCP but MS calls them that sometime, and sometimes don t - have lapel pins - don t have lapel pins - have cers send by MS - have printed certs - have full-bleed certs - white bords - have wallet cards and some have cool xboxlike achivements Well how about making things cleaner especially for HR people and introduce new credentials like MCP Home Basic MCP Home Premium MCP Buisness MCP Professional (that would be cool) MCP Ultimate MCP Enterprise and combine it with variants of MCP like MCP ULTIMATE Digital Wallet Card Edition MCP ULTIMATE FULL-BLEED Semi Green Edition MCP ULTIMATE GREEN EDITION (for those that do not order or print certs) and MCP ULTIMATE GREEN MASTER (for those that are so green that they do not take MS Exams anymore). Again you have proved that your decission style is: act firts, think later. EPIC FAIL!
  • Anonymous
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    Even if we don t have a full-bleed printer I have yet to find a print driver that will reject the page for printing. The page will come out with a white border created by the printer driver to deal with the non-printable border. I do like the idea of being able to order a full-bleed certificate.
  • Anonymous
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    Now that the magic date of July 1st has rolled over, how do we order certificates? Or if we achieved credentials before the 1st but they did not show up on the MCP site till after the first will we still be able to get those certificates for free?
  • Anonymous
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    If the digital certificates is delivered as a picture file format (jpg, png, bmp) and not as pdf, it is then possible to order it as a digital photography printout almost everywhere. And they are usually not expensive. But the size (aspect ratio) should be selectable, since the standard picture size varies.
  • Anonymous
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    You should just add an a couple more radio buttons on saying with border and the other saying with border (or something like that). That way you make every one happy.
  • Anonymous
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    this is unfair to those newly certified including me. The worst part is i wasn t able to submit my request successfully when the welcome kit order feature is still available, maybe because im frmo the Philippines. I emailed regional center but i only received their reply today asking me for the screenshot of the error. Maybe they know that certificate/welcome kit for free feature for microsoft passers has been discontinued and they just want me to figure out for myself. They are good and was surprised that i can t request for a hardcopy and get ms goodies anymore. Im very disappointed, because im excited when ive found out that ill get ms goodies a few days ago but will learn after a few days that it wil not happen anymore. I think they should have notified us in the first place at least a week before implementing such rule. This is really unfair! I know i can just print any copies i want to but its different if the certificate comes from Microsoft. How about the goodies? wallet, discount on mcpestore? pins? These are just small things but it s priceless for me
  • Anonymous
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    The way you do these polls never seems to work for me, just get an empty box, but add another vote for "I have an edge-to-edge capable printer".
  • Anonymous
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    @Marlon They ve announced it a month ago, you can see their announcement in the home page of the mcp site, in the upper right corner of the page. You should place your order on mcp welcome kits thru using IE and not mozilla, coz mozilla browsers always shows that kind of error.
  • Anonymous
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    Yep, just a little add up. It would be much better if you ll just simply provide another category for full-bleed cert download. That should solve the present problem on cert complaints. Besides, if any MCP is really interested to print his/her cert in a full-bleed output, that person for sure, will definitely find a way to print it out regardless of what kind of printer he/she may have.
  • Anonymous
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    Tom: you can take the current files to Kinko s, and they can print on larger paper and trim. (and yes, I think it s better/cheaper/faster to take the file to Kinko s than order it from us) Marlon: if you tried to place an order but had trouble doing so, contact me directly (krosen@microsoft.com) and we ll get a kit out to you. Everyone: I know it seems simple to add a radio button for full-bleed (and it is simple), but what we ve learned from experience is: simple things often have very complex consequences. We re pretty sure that with 2M+ MCPs, there are going to be some folks (particularly non-English speakers) who won t understand what we mean by "full-bleed" or "edge-to-edge" or "photo printer" etc. and will have a bad experience trying to print. Not saying we can t or won t do it, but we re trying to gauge the relative number of folks we d help vs the ones we d hurt and ensure that the math comes out right. :-) Me: We don t need to put a poll out there, because I have no doubt that the results would come back overwhelmingly negative. The results would also be very unuseful, because we d need to put it in context with a lot of other data--which is why we use our annual all-up satisfaction surveys for this purpose. Here s an example to illustrate my point: last year, my office was painted. I absolutely hated the color, and I had no problem telling our facilities folks that I hated it. And if they had bothered to issue a poll, I m sure they would have gotten a lot of negative feedback. That said: when Microsoft did its annual employee satisfaction survey, I answered with very high marks across the board, because while I was very dissatisfied with my office color, in the long run that didn t really carry much weight into my satisfaction with my job and my employer. Now I realize this is a pretty far-fetched comparison, but I wanted to start extreme to make the point. So more relevant to this discussion: there have been several times over the years when we ve added, remobved, and changed MCP and MCT benefits... and when we do, we always watch the satisfaction surveys, not so much to see how you guys view the addition/removal/change itself, but as to whether your overall satifaction changes as a result of it. In other words, we need to figure out the *weighting factor* of a particular issue. Another example: I recently subscribed to a magazine I like. After I subscribed and paid, the magazine slimmed down and started publishing less frequently, and the price increased. There s really no point in the magazine asking me if I m satisfied with any of those things--of course I d say no. But am I still a very satisifed customer of the magazine? Yes--I love the content, and while I wish I had more of it more often, I still feel it s a good deal for the money. We ll be watching our survey results later this year to see if you guys are still very satisfied with your certifications, and if you still think the value is high.
  • Anonymous
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    Thanks ken! i really appreciate it! i already sent you an email!
  • Anonymous
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    @Alice i didn t see the announcement, but thank you for informing me. i hope can ken would be able to help me with my request. thanks guys
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