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Thanks to everyone who’s left a comment here about our transition from physical to digital certificates and cards.

We’ve received too many to reply to them individually (although when the news first broke a few weeks ago, we gamely tried). But since there are quite a few common themes, I thought I’d take one more crack at summarizing them here:

Frequently Asked Questions

Won’t it cost me a fortune to have the certificate mailed to my country? No—our number one requirement from the start was that our certificates—should you still choose to order them—be affordable to ship anywhere in the world. We’ll have our shipping costs published soon, but we don’t anticipate significantly higher shipping costs internationally. (We’re using a different vendor than our MCP estore (which I agree is way too exorbitant on shipping costs… we’re working on that).

We use A4 paper in my country, but your certificates are 8-1/2 x 11. How do I print my certificates correctly? We actually provide A4 versions of the digital certificates now—go check them out!

Why don’t I see my charter certificates? We don t keep records of charter members—those charter certificates are simply the first x number of certificates that we mailed out to the people who earned those certifications. If you were to re-order one of those certificates today (or last week, or last month), you’d find that you’d get a “standard” certificate rather than a charter one (unless we still happened to have some charter certificates left), and the digital certificates work the same way.

Will you ever issue charter certificates again? Maybe. We decided that on a case-by-case basis. If we do, we’ll also make sure we take into account how digital fulfillment works in those cases.

Why didn’t you make welcome kits opt-in only, so that environmentally concerned customers could decided for themselves? We did—for the last few years! Almost everyone ordered certificates though (myself included), in part because they’re free. I find myself ordering things I probably wouldn’t otherwise when they’re free. With a modest shipping and handling fee, we expect that more folks will opt-out than before.

How is this environmentally friendly if all it means is that the MCP has to do the printing instead of Microsoft? See above—if everyone prints out their certificates, then yeah, there’s a good chance that overall we’re doing more harm than good to the environment. But we don’t believe that will happen. I don’t know what percentage of folks will print their certificates, but I think it will decline steadily over time.

Won’t this lead to fraudulent certificates? Don’t look now, but it’s actually not that hard to find places on the Internet who will send you authentic-looking but counterfeit certificates and wallet cards today. The fact is, you can’t trust a paper certificate, and frankly, I wouldn’t trust a digital one either. The only thing I’d trust is our launching-in-August virtual business cards, which authenticate your credentials against your transcript, making them pretty darn difficult to forge.

Are you going to lower the price for exams since you’re now saving money on the welcome kits? No, we won’t, but: remember that we haven’t raised our prices in eight years. Tell me another vendor whose exams are priced as low as we are and can say that. We could have simply raised our prices a bit, but then everyone would be paying extra, not just the people who want paper certificates. This way seems more equitable to us: if you’re satisfied with digital credentials, your exams cost the same; if you want a paper certificate, you’ll pay a modest shipping and handling fee.

How would you feel if your college or university told you that after four years, you had to pay an extra fee to get your diploma? I’d be pretty ticked off, because I probably just spent up to $200,000 USD and invested 4 full-time years of my life studying. I’d probably also question the rationale, since my college only issues about 400 diplomas a year, and they’re handed out in person rather than packaged in cardboard and shipped on airplanes and trucks around the world. I understand the analogy many of you are trying to draw, but in fairness I don’t think that many of you are spending that kind of money and time earning our certifications. I love that you take such pride in your accomplishments—and I share it as an MCP/MCT many times over since 1993—but with all due respect and IMHO, we’re talking about different levels of investment here.

Frequently Leveled Accusations

Microsoft isn’t concerned about the environment—this is just a cost-cutting measure in disguise. This is what’s known as a false choice: that something must be either one thing or another, and not both. This is absolutely a way for us to save on our costs (without raising our prices)—no doubt about that. But it’s also and primarily a way for us to cut down on our environmental footprint. I realize some of you won’t believe that no matter what we say… so it’s probably not a productive use of any of our time trying to persuade each other. (Ditto for those of you arguing that global warming is a hoax.)

You don’t really care about the environment—or you wouldn’t have done that bus tour! See above, plus: there’s no doubt we’re not 100% green, and we won’t be any time soon either. But we’re making strides where we can. (I wish we could have found an electric bus!) BTW, you can take out the words “the environment” above and substitute “cutting costs” and the argument works just as well. :-)

One final note (for now): I understand why the discussion is focused on certificates now, but the upcoming virtual business cards are going to be pretty sweet. For the first time, we’ll truly have a visual symbol of your credential that really, truly proves your accomplishments. I think you guys will dig it and appreciate the benefits it provides over paper and plastic.

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  • I dunno if you saw this, but this would make a sweet MCP wallet card ;-) http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/06/19/samsung_oled_security_card/ Also essentially impossible to fake!
  • That s pretty cool, Orin!
  • epic fail
  • Hi Can t wait to see the virtual cards. Keep up the innovations. Regards Shivam
  • I agree with you that MS exams fees are the lowest and I don t mind digitalizing the certificates. but I think u still have to support paper based certificates and wallet cards for free until lunching the new virtual business cards in Aug. BTW, virtual business cards is very interesting and useful idea. Lastly,I would like to know if there is any news about the QA banks idea discussed before on Gerry O Brien s blog - AKA Microsoft Certification blog?.
  • I will help you being even more greener. From 3 exams I have planned to take later this year I will take only one - last. Books are already on the shelve but I can lose my money, I can not lose my time. It is better to invest it in something valuable like RH, Cisco or Novell. Mail me when you will fix MCP/MCTS/MCITP/MCPWONNABE. EPIC FAIL. I see you no longer use argument that plastic is greener than servers. Lol.
  • "Won’t it cost me a fortune to have the certificate mailed to my country? No—" How much then? Are you going to tell us it someday? "Why don’t I see my charter certificates? We don’t keep records of charter members—those charter certificates are simply the first x number of certificates that we mailed out to the people who earned those certifications. " LOL. I can check when my cert was mailed but you can t do that? Funny. "Why didn’t you make welcome kits opt-in only, so that environmentally concerned customers could decided for themselves? We did—for the last few years! Almost everyone ordered certificates though (myself included), in part because they’re free. I find myself ordering things I probably wouldn’t otherwise when they’re free. With a modest shipping and handling fee, we expect that more folks will opt-out than before." I think more people won t do exams and it will be even more greener. Reading this will help make such green decission http://gocertify.com/article/microsoft-certification-value.shtml I guess too high rate of welcome kits per MCTS/MCITP exam is part of the reason of you going green(d). "How is this environmentally friendly if all it means is that the MCP has to do the printing instead of Microsoft? See above—if everyone prints out their certificates, then yeah, there’s a good chance that overall we’re doing more harm than good to the environment. But we don’t believe that will happen. " LOL. I really like your green arguments, good thing that google and bing will keep it forever. forget about servers pollution while I don t understand that MCT (since 93) can t see how much more pollution is done by servers it doesn t make sense to explain you this for the third time. Do you really think pollution done by home printers is smaller than by professional printing in mass scale? ROTFL. "Won’t this lead to fraudulent certificates? Don’t look now, but it’s actually not that hard to find places on the Internet who will send you authentic-looking but counterfeit certificates and wallet cards today. The fact is, you can’t trust a paper certificate, and frankly, I wouldn’t trust a digital one either. The only thing I’d trust is our launching-in-August virtual business cards, which authenticate your credentials against your transcript, making them pretty darn difficult to forge." Could you point as a link to such site? As someone suggested in Going Green comments if it is done right and cheaper than your Certs I guess there might be some customers here. Especially for Wallet Cards that are discontinued. "How would you feel if your college or university told you that after four years, you had to pay an extra fee to get your diploma? I’d be pretty ticked off, because I probably just spent up to $200,000 USD and invested 4 full-time years of my life studying. I’d probably also question the rationale, since my college only issues about 400 diplomas a year, and they’re handed out in person rather than packaged in cardboard and shipped on airplanes and trucks around the world. I understand the analogy many of you are trying to draw, but in fairness I don’t think that many of you are spending that kind of money and time earning our certifications. I love that you take such pride in your accomplishments—and I share it as an MCP/MCT many times over since 1993—but with all due respect and IMHO, we’re talking about different levels of investment here." Are you saying that 200K is fair price for Welcome Kit? "no doubt we’re not 100% green, and we won’t be any time soon either. But we’re making strides where we can. " Like this? http://borntolearn.mslearn.net/2009/05/welcome-back-joanne I guess MSL have done homework with excel and cost cutting, could you share you spreadsheet with CO2 emission "cutting"? ROTFL. "One final note (for now): I understand why the discussion is focused on certificates now, but the upcoming virtual business cards are going to be pretty sweet." Sweet and colorful, cool. What achievements are planned?
  • Sounds fair enough about the certificates & being able to order them. I have to say I m pretty disappointed about the charter certificates. I like the idea that if you took the beta or went out early on to take the exam you get a charter cert (often when training material is thin on the ground). That should be the same if they are digital or printed, it cant be that hard to have the digital certs made up with "charter" status for the first x number (4000?). The fact that you were "charter status" should stay against your account as part of your transcript. Ben
  • @me (comment about certs being useful) Go ahead and take another qual, one less numpty taking the MS exams and de-valuing them further!
  • Ben, sorry if I wasn t clear: certainly didn t mean to imply that we will no longer offer charter certificates--just that we haven t made any definite plans either way. We look at that decision on a case by case basis when we release a new credential.
  • Me: Shipping and handling prices will be published within the next couple of weeks (certainly by the time we go live in July). Saw the article you linked to, and (not surprisingly) I take some issue with it. The author scores some great points--primarily, that we ve done a poor job making our newer certifications as easy to recognize and remember as MCSE; but he fails to recognize the meaning of what he acknowledges--that the very fact that so many employers still ask for Microsoft certification (even if they re not sure which specific one they are asking for!) still means that our certifications are very valued. My guess is that if you walked into a job interview with an MCSE on Win2000 and WS2003, you d probably get a question like "why aren t you an MCSE on WS2008?" In other words, I don t think that employers are really looking for old certs--they re just not aware that the names have changed, and we re going to work on that in a big way this coming fiscal year (which starts for us on July 1). As for the pollution thing, I guess my point wasn t clear. We hope and expect that over time, home printing of certificates will decrease. As for the counterfeit certificates and wallet card sites, you knew before asking that we won t direct you there, but they ve been out there for years and they seems to spring up faster than we can get them gone. I have no idea what your point is on the $200K welcome kit, sorry. :-) And as for Joanne s practical joke, yep, and many of us still drive non-hybrids; drink lots of bottled water, etc. I can help you find lots of examples of non-environmentally friendly behavior on the part of our employees if it entertains you. We re not 100% green as business, and mileage certainly varies in our private lives. But like I said--we make strides where we can.
  • "My guess is that if you walked into a job interview with an MCSE on Win2000 and WS2003, you’d probably get a question like “why aren’t you an MCSE on WS2008?” In other words, I don’t think that employers are really looking for old certs–they’re just not aware that the names have changed, and we’re going to work on that in a big way this coming fiscal year (which starts for us on July 1)." It is not just name change - read MCITP FAQ. Your our own FAQ states MCITP:EA are devaluated MCSE Q. Does MCSA equate to MCITP: Server Administrator and does MCSE equate to MCITP: Enterprise Administrator? A. No, not exactly. The MCITP on Windows Server 2008 certification requires a new skill set—in some cases, a more robust one—that differs from the skill set needed for MCSA and MCSE certifications. MCITP: Server Administrator certification covers more operations-related job skills than the MCSA certification. MCITP: Enterprise Administrator maps to an actual job role profile, whereas the MCSE certification does not. The latter combines technology and job skills. Q. Are the MCTS and MCITP certifications replacing the MCSA and MCSE credentials? A. No. The MCSA and MCSE certifications are not being replaced. There is no change to the Microsoft Windows 2000 Server and Windows Server 2003 tracks and certifications. The MCTS and MCITP certifications are for Windows Server 2008. And BTW follow your own rules stated in FAQ and stop calling MCTS/MCITP people MCP. Or change rules! Q. Am I a Microsoft Certified Professional (MCP) if I earn an MCITP certification? A. Yes and no. The term MCP is used both as a general term for all Microsoft Certified Professionals and as the name of a credential. As an MCITP, you become part of the Microsoft Certified Professional community, with access to all related benefits, information, and activities. You do not earn a credential titled "MCP". You should use the MCITP credential on your resume and in business collateral, which indicates your specialty and shows that you are a member of the MCP community.
  • Can you confirm if the the wallet card can still be ordered (i.e. a normal welcome pack)? My current job required these certificates to be photocopied and placed in my HR folder - if I could not produce they would sack me for lying on app. form - no I am not kidding!!!!! The wallet card has been asked for in most interviews. A couple have asked for my public transcript on the MS site. It all depends on the employer (I m in the UK). I can understand why you dropped the label pin - the only time I would wear it is in an Apple store ;) Still appauled at this discision - HR departments are VERY stuck in their ways.
  • No it won t be available even for 200K $. I have asked about that few times. You might explain to HR people how much damage to earth they are doing by asking for wallet cards. Microsoft is sure they will show high level of environment responsibility. You can give them link to png file on Microsoft servers with all your achievements and colorful logo.
  • Me: I just read the entire FAQ you quoted--and I can t figure out where you concluded that "Your our own FAQ states MCITP:EA are devaluated MCSE." Care to elaborate? Also: the FAQ is correct regarding the use of MCP. Notice it says: "The term MCP is used both as a general term for all Microsoft Certified Professionals and as the name of a credential." Therefore, it s accurate to say that one is an MCP if one holds any of our credentials. (I believe that we can make it clearer, though--it s a confusing issue.) We do need to come up with a new MCP logo for those who don t actually hold the MCP credential but are still neverethless MCPs, and that s on our to-do list this year. MCSE: the wallet cards will no longer be orderable after June 30th. I do believe that your job requires your certificates to be on file, and that your employers ask for your wallet card. You will be able to download and print your certificate (I m assuming black and white will be okay in this case, since you probably don t need to keep a color copy on file), and as for the card--you can send one via e-mail in advance of the interview (or during), and the potential employer can instantly verify its authenticity and your individual credentials--something they cannot easily do today from the plastic wallet card.
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